Rokerij Seed Co's Amnesia Haze

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stints wrote:
ZBeebs wrote:There is a thread on ICMag titled The Perfect Cure. Read that and follow the directions and your curing problems are solved. That method is easy and it works every time.
could you post the direct link to that please?
Use the search Luke...:wink: :lol:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=12


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So would you run her again ?
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Cisco wrote:So would you run her again ?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean, growing or QWISO?
If you mean growing Rokerij Amnesia, in a word... no. The report provides ample reasons as to why.
If QWISO, in a word... yes. In fact, I'll be making some today along with BHO.
150gms of bud and trim, fourteen 300mL cans of butane, and one 1000mL bottle of 96% Neutral Alcohol. If it were closer to Christmas, I'd throw in a "Partridge in a pear tree" as well. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: Let's party... :mrgreen:

Quick update on the cure...
Although some if not most of P2's cure was lost, to be honest I don't think it would have been quality gear anyway, it's still excellent for hash making though.
P3 and P4 are curing nicely, and the smoke is mellowing out, with age of course... :wink:
More to follow, likely to include my summary of the grow.
Happy farming...
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Nice Ron!! enjoy your labor of love today.. :wink: :mrgreen: Be nice to see them results!!
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Thanks Slo.
A little update while I take a dinner break...
I used 110gms of trim/bud and 13 cans of butane.
I filled the extractor seven times on the first wash, six times on the second.
The results - 8gms on the first, 4gms on the second.
I'll post pics later but I didn't make BHO, it somehow turned into BHB (Butane Hash Budder). :? :lol:
After the first wash, I put the clear Pyrex dish in a large bowl of hot tap water. I let it sit for about an hour, worked it for a few minutes.
After the second wash, I put the dish off to the side and let the butane evaporate without heat. The result, same as the first wash, budder.
As soon as I started working the oil, it was thickening, and I knew immediately that it was going to be budder. Ok, works for me... :lol: :mrgreen:
After dinner I'm going to wash the remaining 40 or so grams twice using the 96% alcohol, and then run the trim I used for the BHO. This ought to be interesting.
More to follow...
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Good afternoon, and welcome to another installment of my experience with Rokerij Seed Co's Amnesia Haze.
In this installment, BHBudder (I think?) and my second time making QWISO.
On with the show, enjoy... :) :mrgreen:
Picture of materials used.
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1st wash processing, 110gms, 7 cans Butane Gas
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1st wash being worked
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1st wash after 2nd working 8gms
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2nd wash after 2nd working 4gms
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QWISO 1st wash of the same material used in the BHBudder. :shock:
That's right, the QWISO you see in the following pictures was from the trim I used in two washes with Butane.
If I wasn't a believer in second and even third washes, I sure am now.
I have approximately 40gms of trim that I didn't use in the BHB that I QWISO'ed, but I didn't take any pics. :oops:
I blame it on the piece of BHBudder (1st wash) that I sampled... totally spaced out. :lol: :mrgreen:
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Any guess as to how much this will weigh out to? :mrgreen:
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See what happens when I smoke some lovely budder... trees :shock: :lol:
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Oh look, no more tree... :cry: :lol: :mrgreen:
A couple of minutes near the radiator and the alcohol started to evaporate faster. Time to move it to cooler climates... :mrgreen:
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Special note in reference the QWISO.
When I first made this type of hash, I allowed the small quantity of trichimes to dry out completely with the aid of a small fan. I had to scrape with some effort, the results were in crystal form. This time I continued to work the trichomes into a corner of the dish. The results are completely different, this example being putty like. I look forward to comparing this gear to the crystal version I made previous.
When I observed the amount of trichomes that the 110gm wash was producing, I immediately knew what I did wrong during the BHO process. What I FAILED to do was grind the trim and bud. Instead I used my hands to break down the gear. :oops: I may have made a rookie mistake, HOWEVER...... I made up for it by processing the leftover trim using QWISO, and learning from my mistake. :mrgreen:
Until the next time, probably when the BHBudder and QWISO are purged a while longer.
Hey USBL, I get it, finally.............. I think. :mrgreen:

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Nice work Ron!! If you would have grinded the trim, that haul would have been huge... No purge?
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SloWhite wrote:Nice work Ron!! If you would have grinded the trim, that haul would have been huge... No purge?
Thanks Slo...
If I had ground up all that gear, I think the haul would have been epic. :oops: Oh well...
With a two day purge, the yield of the BHBudder is 15gms; the QWISO is too wet for accurate weight.

I'm not sure what you mean by "No purge?".
Happy farming...

Edit - saw a pic posted by Cisco in what he described as purging.
If this is what you meant, no I didn't purge in this way because I wanted to try something different.
I waited until most of the noticeable alcohol had evaporated before scooping up and placing on wax paper.
Every few hours I work it using a stainless steel pic.
Question - how long should I purge? I've seen QWISO in many forms, from amber crystals to jelly.
As for the BHBudder, I will continue to use a heating pad to soften the hash until it becomes workable.
I'll work it for a few minutes then leave to air out. Let it sit covered in the fridge for a week or so, work it again.
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Very well written thread! A true gem UR! Those were some nice plants! Looking forward to seeing the end product. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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redeyezman wrote:Very well written thread! A true gem UR! Those were some nice plants! Looking forward to seeing the end product. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Thanks man, always appreciate a kind word... :)
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Hello stoners,
Today will be a little show and tell with BHBudder, QWISO, and a few bud pics. :mrgreen:

First off, the BHB. I put the gear on top of the heat pad and worked it until the consistency was of soft butter.
I removed the gear from the heat and worked until it started to stiffen. At this time I moved the gear to a new piece of wax paper.
8gm, 1st wash, 3rd working
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A closer shot of the above...
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Gear from the second wash, 4gms. Note the air bubbles, or are they full of butane? :shock:
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Now for the QWISO, which I'm still not sure is a worthwhile process unless there is no other means.
Just an opinion from a poor humble dirt farmer. :mrgreen:
The cost to make 5gms was €61, which equals €12.20 per gram.

Now, a semi :oops: moment. In the next picture is 3gms from the trim that I processed TWICE with butane. Hopefully people out there won't make the same mistake I made. GRIND YOUR TRIM BEFORE WASHING WITH BUTANE!!! Ok, moving on... :mrgreen:
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I decided to have some fun with this gear, a little more than 2gms from a 25gm wash. This is finger tight... :shock: :lol: :mrgreen:
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Another shot...
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Cut in half, looks like the insides of a fig newton... :shock: :lol: :mrgreen:
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Now, the bud porn… :shock: :wink: :lol: :mrgreen:
P3, 28 daze cure… It still needs some more time. There’s something hiding behind the last bit of chlorophyll.
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P3, 28 daze cure, a small group shot… :mrgreen:
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P4, 27 daze cure, my very own Easter Buddy… . BTW, that’s no egg in his left hand, it’s EBBudder in disguise… :shock: :wink: :lol: :mrgreen:
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P4, 27 daze cure, my EB with more bud, always a welcome sight… :D
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dude, that looks so freaking tasty!
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n4tur3 wrote:dude, that looks so freaking tasty!
thx... :mrgreen:
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Hello one and all,
Welcome to what probably will be the last installment of my grow report, the summary.
I would first like to thank Wendy Smit, a member of the Rokerij Team, for coordinating this event.
Next, I would like to thank those who provided guidance, opinions, constructive criticism, and encouragement.
Lastly, thank you for reading my report. :mrgreen:

I started with five beans a little more than five months ago, with grand visions of harvesting some tasty bud.
Although I was able to harvest some bud, my vision turned out to be anything but grand.
All of the seeds germinated in four days, a great way to start a grow.
No problems during the vegetation period; the plants were doing awesome.

During the first few weeks of flowering is when I started noticing problems with the strain - I was growing five different phenotypes.
One plant (P1) turned out to be predominantly a vine, incapable of developing flowering bud.
Another plant (P5) produced massive quantities of trichomes, however most of the flowers didn't develop calyxes (false seed pods which add mass to bud).
Of the remaining three plants, the one with the greatest yield (overall as well) was P2. This plant emitted only a slight odor during the grow, and even less so during the drying period. A week after placing into jars for the cure, I noted an odor of dried grass/hay. From research I learned that this could be a bad sign of things to come. It could mean either the gear has genetic issues, or it was over dried. In the end I conclude that it was a combination of the two even though in my defense the bud only dried for four days before being put into glass. The other plants were in the dry for six to seven days.
Not all was lost, I used the bud in to make BHO and QWISO. Speaking of which, when processing gear for either method, ensure that all of the trim is dry and ground up.
Also adding to the list is the length of flowering. While P5 was ready to harvest after nine weeks, P2 wouldn't be ready for another four weeks, probably one more if I had wanted to. Definitely some major problems with this strain.

So, no comes the part about dollars and sense. Was this grow worth the time and resources used... for experience sake, yes. All else, no.
The cost was minimal because I only had to pay for electricity, nutrients, grow medium, and a couple of accessories.
- Flora Self Universal Soil (60lts) = €5.99
- Bio Bizz Fertilizer Kit = €32 (half used in previous grow)
- Electricity = €115 (€0.21 average cost per Kilowatt)
- Water = didn't exceed monthly quota
Total cost to grow = €153.00
Total yield in grams = 142 + 26(P5) = 168
Cost per gram = €1.07/€0.91

Hash
- Alcohol 90%/243mL = €20
- Alcohol 96%/1000mL = €30
- Butane 12 cans at €2.50ea. = €30
Total cost to process = €80
Yield: BHO - 12gms/QWISO - 5gms
Cost per gram - €4.70
Note - The BHO cost €2.50 per gram to make.
Given that some want €50+ per gram, that would be more than a 2,500% increase. Some have an over-inflated sense of self worth.

Well, that's it, almost. I'm still curing the bud from P3 and P4, and processing hash as well. But for the most part, I'm done.
I've kept my word, the report has been posted.
RIP Rokerij
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Nice one Ron. It has been a good report and a nice wee summary at the end there.

I also agree (and you already know) the yield of the BHO would have been a lot more if it was ground up. You only really got 10% but then you reclaimed the rest with the QWISO run so all is not lost. I also have to say I have not seen QWISO look like that either without working it. I either get amber hard shattery stuff or softer slightly reddish but still translucent when stretched. It might be a lot of wax in that plant? I usually do 2nd/3rd run too. The 2nd/3rd runs are basically a few seconds swirl around the jar and dump onto sieve then repeat and combine the 2. I also use a lot less ISO in the 2/3 run. I am really quick with it so it doesn't go runny and green. It is always worth it IMO to do those runs. If it doesn't taste so great then it gets cooked with.

Did you use all the alcohol in that run? It does seem pretty expensive. I would expect you could run a lot more than 40g with a 1000ml of ISO though.

But it look like you had a good time with this project and learned a fair bit while doing it. I think we are pretty lucky to have the internets resources and forums to ask advice and read up on others experiences. Thanks for sharing. Best of luck with the next grow. Anything in mind for your next run?
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