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Around here, you couldn't deny service to anyone for this... and that's the way it should be.Trichome_Dense wrote:... and just what would they say to a dreadlocked Rastafarian wearing a beanie hat, or a Sikh donning a turban? I'd like to see who's got the courage to tell these two to remove their head-dress... It's part of their Religious expression...
hahaha glad I'm not the only one, my collection is useless since I grew my hairbeejun wrote:I wear hats all the time, and I am even addicted to NewEra's Fitted caps
Nickaveli wrote:hahaha glad I'm not the only one, my collection is useless since I grew my hairbeejun wrote:I wear hats all the time, and I am even addicted to NewEra's Fitted caps
What are the reasons then? Please explain them.beejun wrote:dont see why some people are too thick to understand it is for a reason to take your hat off, mainly security reasons.
So by your reckoning it's ok to wear a crash helmet inside just cos you arrived on a motorbike? Other commercial establishments have different policies cos they're not doin business selling drugs, so it aint the same thing no matter what angle ya try spin it. It also depends on what level of business we're talkin about, high class will ask ya to take yer hat off, with or without cameras....simply because it's a matter of politeness, courtesy, whatever ya wanna call it. I think most of the ppl who are pissed off at the 'no hat' rule are that way because of how they were asked not why.titus wong wrote:Ok no offense, but this still isn't convincing. I've never encountered the 'no-hat policy' anywhere other than a coffeeshop. Have you? And yet you want me to believe that the other commercial establishments that perform in-store surveillance have a laxer hat policy? Why would that be -- more sophisticated anti-hat software?
And I'm not aware of any statistical trend showing a rise in coffeeshop armed robberies over those of any other kind of establishment. If you could provide me with the data, I would be more credible of the 'no-hat' policy.
Yes, I know they're pointed at me -- that's exactly the problem I have with it.DC wrote:There's cameras all over the place in town, restauraunts, bars, small shops....all pointed at?
Don't mean to harsh your buzz, dude. I just think it's a BS policy. BTW, I remember reading that you were associated with Nes at some point. Do they have the same 'no-hat' policy?
titus wong wrote:What are the reasons then? Please explain them.beejun wrote:dont see why some people are too thick to understand it is for a reason to take your hat off, mainly security reasons.
Of course not. Observing social customs is one thing; taking off my hat because it supposedly obscures my face from camera surveillance is another. But you seem to be deliberately confusing the two in an attempt to win this argument. Coffeeshops don't ask you to remove your hat inside because it's polite to do so. They're not trying to win any politeness awards and it's ridiculous to assert that they are.DC wrote:So by your reckoning it's ok to wear a crash helmet inside just cos you arrived on a motorbike? Other commercial establishments have different policies cos they're not doin business selling drugs, so it aint the same thing no matter what angle ya try spin it. It also depends on what level of business we're talkin about, high class will ask ya to take yer hat off, with or without cameras....simply because it's a matter of politeness, courtesy, whatever ya wanna call it. I think most of the ppl who are pissed off at the 'no hat' rule are that way because of how they were asked not why.
Oh good, then you're agreeing with me that the "no-hat" policy is a completely unnecessary and a waste of time, as you have your regular patrons to subdue any troublemakers. Thanks for proving my point. Good for Nes.DC wrote:We don't ask ppl to take their hats off at 't Nes cos most ppl do anyway and if you try to rob the place or turn out to be a wanker, atleast half a dozen regluars will drag you out into the street and 'suggest' it wasn't a good idea, or forcibly hold you there until the police arrive.
Whatever rituals and taboos may be codified within a particular religion does not mean that individuals will necessarily observe them, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume a Sikh might show up in a coffeeshop. I know many Christians who don't go to church on Sunday, covet their neighbor's wealth, etc., and they go to coffeeshops too. What about an orthodox Jew wearing a yarmulke? If one showed up in a coffeeshop, would he be asked to remove it?DC wrote:As for a Rasta and a Sikh. I don't think the beanie is an essential part of the rasta religious expression, more a personal choice to keep the dreads in place and it's against a Sikhs religion to use drugs so what the hell is he doin in a coffeeshop anyway. "I'm just with me mates" is a lame excuse for testing the patiences of your god....no?.
You brought up this point before and seem to be reveling in the fact that cameras are monitoring your every move. If you're comfortable with being a sheep, then fine. It's my right to speak up when I think my personal liberties are being encroached on and I hope others will continue to do so.DC wrote:If you don't like cameras pointed at ya, you may stay at home...cos they're everywhere, only on the increase and bitchin about it wont make them go away....it's too late for that.
Hey, good job explaining 'security reasons.' You make some credible points there -- NOT!beejun wrote:titus wong wrote:What are the reasons then? Please explain them.beejun wrote:dont see why some people are too thick to understand it is for a reason to take your hat off, mainly security reasons.
as i said mainly for security reasons,
IMO any one with a minimum of education knows a hat is to be removed before entering a restaurant, a church, and a lot of other places. If a coffeeshop asks you to remove yours and you catch feeling over it like a lil' girl, change coffeeshop!
Dude, if you want to read your first 2 replies in this thread and then the subsequent replies to ppl anwering you, I think you'll find it was you that started crossing the 2 topics into one. The reason for the hat rule is for security, that's it. If you choose not to understand the legitimacy of that reason it's up to you. But within minutes of having the rule enforced upon you, your mind was already made up. 'discombobulated'... in laymans terms, you were pissed off because you'd just been yelled at. The cameras are pointed at the doors, not at the stoners chilling out. Only some coffeeshops do it because only some need to, location, size, local patrons, profits on premises and council/police involvement due to 'issues' together make up the reason why. Other types of business do what they need to in order to secure their business. A high class restaurant will not only ask you to take off your hat, but may ask you to put on a jacket and a tie before you're allowed in and that's got nothing to do with security or cameras at all. 'House rules' don't always make sense or seem right to everybody, but that doesn't mean they're wrong or stupid. The fact that you use a department and jewelry store together, shows what I'm referring to. Open floors and large spaces with multiple cameras compared to one room without a guard or automatic lockable doors and only one camera, require different approaches to security and just because you 'don't get it' doesn't mean it's dumb. Especially considering you're in a weak minority that feels it is and have a problem. Like all businesses, if you don't like what they do....then don't go there.titus wong wrote: Of course not. Observing social customs is one thing; taking off my hat because it supposedly obscures my face from camera surveillance is another. But you seem to be deliberately confusing the two in an attempt to win this argument. Coffeeshops don't ask you to remove your hat inside because it's polite to do so. They're not trying to win any politeness awards and it's ridiculous to assert that they are.
You just seem to like repeating yourself while contradicting at the same time. You know nothing of the patrons of Amsterdam coffeeshops other that what you see when your here only holiday. Considering a percentage of coffeeshops are actually run by criminals, having cameras on your door is a sure way of both keepin cops happy and arseholes out. If you don't like it and don't go back to these shops, well then I guess the latter must've worked. When McDonalds sell G13 Haze burgers, expect cameras on the door and a 'no hat' policy to be implimented.titus wong wrote: Furthermore, I don't take exception to the "no-hat" policy per se, but the fact that coffeeshop patrons are being surveyed in the first place. The increased security would make sense if in fact coffeeshops were targeted more frequently by criminals. If not, asking coffeeshop patrons to remove their hats is tantamount to assuming that they are in fact, an inherently riskier segment of the population that warrants increased surveillance. The fact that the customers in coffeeshops are asked to do this and not in other tradeshops is blatantly discriminatory and constitutes social profiling.
titus wong wrote: Oh good, then you're agreeing with me that the "no-hat" policy is a completely unnecessary and a waste of time, as you have your regular patrons to subdue any troublemakers. Thanks for proving my point. Good for Nes.
When religious ppl get hypocritical but still want to wave their religious freedom at me then yes I would. Businesses should have the right to enforce their rules on anybody if it's in their own best interests and not against the law. Considering religion is a fukt up idea that one day will be seen on the same par as believing in the tooth fairy, whatever laws are attached to it are only tempory.titus wong wrote: Whatever rituals and taboos may be codified within a particular religion does not mean that individuals will necessarily observe them, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume a Sikh might show up in a coffeeshop. I know many Christians who don't go to church on Sunday, covet their neighbor's wealth, etc., and they go to coffeeshops too. What about an orthodox Jew wearing a yarmulke? If one showed up in a coffeeshop, would he be asked to remove it?
I'm not advocating or reveling in anything related to this topic, just explaining or indicating if you prefer, with visual aids....you're too fuking late, it's already here. Bitch all you like about it, but it's probably all you'll ever do.titus wong wrote: You brought up this point before and seem to be reveling in the fact that cameras are monitoring your every move. If you're comfortable with being a sheep, then fine. It's my right to speak up when I think my personal liberties are being encroached on and I hope others will continue to do so.
I want to thank you for posting the pretty pictures although I'm not sure what they indicate. You seem to be advocating a state-controlled society. I'm happy to be on the other side.
Enjoy the soma.
