OneHighMofo wrote: Wed 5th Sep 2018 10:33 am
DeLekkersteNUGS16 wrote: Wed 5th Sep 2018 08:59 am
Not dissing anybody, but you put 'air-quotes' on the word Cali. Again not sure what that implication is, I can't speak for my Celtic comrade but again, as I've ordered and tracked deliveries myself I know mine comes straight out of the Golden State no ifs, ands or buts about it.
Berner is getting flames? Do you ever write anything that's not obnoxiously vague and/or cryptic?! A good haze (and/or G-13) is great but unbeatable assuredly not... plenty of these newer strains do beat it, period!
Lastly, yes the smaller batch stuff well grown locally by passionate growers can be some of the best, but nowhere and nobody in this country has the kinds of technology and state of the art facilities/grow-gear at their disposal as they do in the (legal) States. Only Canada is really (close) to being on par in that respect.
Anyway, not dissing anyone...stay crispy, stay vigilant and stay selfishly drugged y'all!
Sorry gonna have to chime-in here on a couple points buddy.
Firstly - tastes are subjective. There's no 'best' strain. So if wlow rates his G13 as unbeatable. So be it. I feel much the same about Amnesia / SSH. Never had another strain that beat a good example of either on flavour. Ever. Fuck Zkittles, and Cookies and the horses they rode in on. Breeding started and ended with Neville. (OK - exaggeration - but you take my point).
Secondly. This snobbery around 'cali' is getting ridiculous. it's exceeding the so called Uk VS AMS quality 'debate' level of snobbery and that's saying something.
Now - it might well be that the examples you've tried are amongst the best you've ever had. That I can accept as I know you persaonlly and 100% trust your tastes and recommendations. But I don't accept for a single second that Californina is any better at growing Cannabis (specially indoors) than any other country. They haven't been doing it longer, or better, they don't have access to equipment that no-one else does (in fact an awful lot of the lighting/controller/nutrient tech is developed in Europe; NL specifically). But what they do have are very loud voices and they LOVE to create and beleive in their own hype. I'm postive that the US has high-quality cannabis. As does just about every other country on the planet where consumption and a subsequent commercial marketplace are taken seriously.
But my point is when it's grown indoors - it could be from anywhere and still raise the quality bar.
EVERYONE in the industry is working with similiar genetics and similar equipment. The quality of the output is down to the producer.
I've seen 'no-till' bio-organic farmers with decades of experience that claim to be able to spot 'dirty Hydro' with the eye (unknowingly) smoke hydro-grown product and be blown away. My point is - 'quality' is highly situationally subjective and even growers with huge amounts of experience are subject to their own confirmation bias. basically - I simply don't trust the opinion of the community writ large. Largely because it's so subject to trend. Which is a common predictor for bias.
When someone shows me some unbeatable quality OUTDOOR Cali. Grown in the ground, organically. WITHOUT dangerous levels of pesticides (good luck with that). THEN I'll beleive the hype. Till then - these claims of unbeatable quality raise a good old eye-roll from yours truly. This seemingly all pervasive idea that the growers of California have access to some mystical golden skill-set is an absolute nonsense. Marketing hype: A big ol' slice of the American dream pie.
Everybody's favorite argumentative cunt checking back in. A lot of your points are valid, I shouldn't have been so assertive about the haze bit as I mostly agree - hell I'm puffin on some Pandor's Ghost (haze on haze genetics) right now in the Dynavap - but it's just so overdone that it's nice to have some fresh new (and astoundingly potent) flavors available in abundance over here.
Regarding grow-gear I'm not talking about silly nutrients, I'm talking about high-quality lighting and automated and climate-controlled environments, sorry the space, shops and leniency from law enforcement just don't exist elsewhere to have that. Find me a big state-of-art grow area in the UK as described and I'll pull down the curtain and show you some Vietnamese indentured-servants propping up the proverbial "Wizard of Oz" gimmick, right next to the tuna errm weed can counterfeiting factory they're churning out.
Regarding outdoor though, the climate of Northern California is those rebellious hills of Humboldt seems to largely favor our sacred plant, and usually spurs levels of trich production and just overall yields that I've not seen even closely matched elsewhere. But I am obviously not the end all be all of such knowledge...surprise! Again I could be wrong, but of all outdoor bud I've countered I would argue that Cali grown sets itself even more apart (than with indoor) from other areas/countries. I've never seen outdoor bud from anywhere come close to the best NorCal outdoor I've seen. And like you until I see a convincing example, my mind is unlikely to be changed.
Nationality doesn't preclude anybody being a better grower, but would anybody knock someone lauding Italian wine, French cheese, German beer or Belgian chocolate as the best?! No, they wouldn't - similar to the US, even from Amsterdam's early days many (if not most) of the pioneers that helped start intensive indoor breeding over here, were from the US. The Dutch just as a whole, really lack an affinity with weed, in the US and especially Western states that is not the case at all. The US is the propagator of much of what we view as "stoner culture" for better or for worse. They have undeniably spurred much of the advancement in new methods of consumption. Take Rosin and BHO: techs invented in and diffused from the US. There's many more examples I could insert here, but that should be a good enough start to speak for itself!
Of course equally (well again refer to state-of-the-art growrooms bit so with limitations actually*) or rather close to equally good ganja can be grown anywhere, but it is not done anywhere else on the same scale, with the same consistency for the same price except maybe Canada.
Anyway, I know you'll have your objections and counterpoints here, but that's how I see it any matter.
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