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geekymonkey wrote:This is in no way definitive, and I welcome other people jumping in to the discussion with corrections and additions, but here's my best explanation between Hazes and the broader category of sativa-dominant strains.

My understanding is that "Haze" originally referred to a specific strain that was bred in California in the 70s. It was a mix of Mexican/Columbian, Thai and South Indian pure sativas. It was characterized by the exotic aroma and mental "trippy" sativa high that remains the characteristics people talk about when describing hazes.

The Flying Dutchmen seed company claims to sell "The Original Haze" seeds from that late 70s stabilization, and that those genetics are the base for all of the Hazes in Holland. (http://www.icmag.com/modules/ICStraingu ... ain&id=337) That sounds like a bit of an overstatement to me, I'm pretty sure that there are "hazes" being sold in the 'dam right now that do not link back to those original cali genetics. (Neville's Haze comes to mind as one that I think I've seen attributed to a different genetic line, and Quasar Haze, which I think is a landrace sativa rather than a haze hybrid.)

In other word, hazes are a specific subset of sativa weeds, but there are a lot of sativa and sativa dominant strains that aren't hazes. Sativa weeds tend to be characterized by "up" "mental" and "energetic effects," they tend to have less-dense, slower growing, and longer bud structures, thinner leaves, and paler green coloration than indica strains. I've seen people describe the effects of sativa plants producing more of a "high" than the kind of "stone" that one gets from indica dominant plants.

Hazes specifically share those traits, additionally the high from haze genetics characteristically have a tactile component and an aroma that is fragrant, complex, and sweet that is not shared by all sativas. They are also renowned for being very strong.

I am by no means an expert, these are just my impressions.

Sam_Skunkman;1536124 wrote:Well, Nevilles Haze is derived from Original Haze matierials I gave Neville in 1980's, not 1969, but it is not a pure Haze, it has been crossed with the NL line.
So you are comparing apples and oranges..
Take FD Original Haze and make a cross with your favorite female clone and you will be surprised how good it is. Often much better then either parent.

Also I have suggested many times that Original Haze is "breeding material" not great commercial growing materials, but you seem to only notice what you want to notice. It is the only pure Original Haze available.

Bottom line is if you want an almost Haze line that is stong and popular get Nevilles Haze, SSH, Kali Mist, Sage, or a dozen other Haze Hybrids that mostly used my Original Haze as a parent, directly or through a Haze Hybrid based on my Haze genetics available from 1976 from me.

If you want pure Sativa blood to use for breeding then remember that all of the above are Haze hybrids only and most used Indica bloodlines to some degree.

"We're talking about the Original Haze from The Flying Dutchmen, which doesnt list its flowering times nearly at 26 weeks"

What is the 26 weeks about? I have grown Haze a lot, but 26 weeks? WTF??

-SamS

Haze is a four-way super-sativa consisting of Colombian, Mexican, Thai and South Indian strains ... The high is clear, energetic and, most of all, strong! Haze is one of the few strains of the '70s that still survives, primarily because it made it to Amsterdam. Originally bred in Santa Clara, California, a more Colombian version of Haze ended up in Amsterdam. While it's very easy to find Haze in Amsterdam, you will not find it in its pure form. The people who have access to real Haze use it for breeding purposes only. If they were to grow it pure, it would harvest very little and take forever. Luckily, even fifty percent Haze is incredible!

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