So the Weed pass thing? and your thoughts?

[joossy]

Who's agreed upon 2015?
I do agree that to pass not only this legislation, but any legislation, takes time. What's your point? Next...
You may be correct in your assertion that the policy doesn't have discriminatory language, this was most likely removed a couple of years ago when they failed to gain the support of the EU. I invite you to read/reread the case that was before the European Court concerning this matter. The EU isn't/hasn't/can't dictate anything, sort of like the UN. Next...
A grand assertion that at any level of the Dutch government they don't care about European Law. Seriously? Next...
You were informed that most Dutch would be pissed, really? I think it's safe to assume that most citizens of any country would be pissed. Next...
Everyone has an opinion, some have a more informed opinion, like Nol for instance. He is in the business, so for anyone to come in and tell him (or anyone in similar position) that they don't know what they are on about, or whatever.... seriously? A grasp maybe, but of what? Next...
As for the rest about right wing this and that, again, seriously?
Be careful of which stoners you throw rocks at, some throw them back. Chill a bit on the use of adjectives, just saying...

A proven method of defeating your enemy is to divide and conquer. Twenty one pages worth...
Next..

Pretty arrogant, dismissive & uneducated post there Ron. The dutch tolerance policy says 2015.

To be fair Nol and bluestar could have been more forthcoming with the full facts/ story rather than just coming on the thread and telling everyone the bits they want us to know.

[joossy]

I smell BS too. I think their are people with an agenda. I hardly think that Joosy has a better grasp on the situation then Nol.

i am now blocking Joosy as I gave them/it a chance but I tell i have to give up. I have heard your opinion and KNOW IT.

STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR OPINION ON ME AS I THINK YOUR WRONG.

It needs to be said.... you really are naive.

[joossy]

Few people seemed to care when I was in Amsterdam. This is a thread about opinions on the weed pass, why did you read it mate if you don't care about opinions? fair enough, everyone's sick of it. This thread went a totally different way then I thought it would.

Also having an opinion after the weedpass is introduced really won't help will it.

My opinion,Amsterdam will have a stay of execution, but the surrounding areas and border areas will initially introduce it and then change back to basically how it is now,

intersesting link http://www.amsterdam.info/municipality/ click on drugs

another interesting link, http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d84_1308864877

from the above linl you have this,

NO WEEDPASS IN AMSTERDAM FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS!!!!

This is the translation of a letter sent to the coffeeshop unions in the Netherlands, I am proud to translate this good news....



Dear folks,

The big news today is that the new Tolerance Policy will become active from July 1, 2011, and will be valid until June 30 2015(!). The AHOJG criteria are already avaiable on http://www.openbaarministerie.nl The good news is not much is going to change.

The most important conclusion is that the AHOJG crtieria have not been complemented with the Weedpass and the Distance Criteria. Nothing changes in this area. The announced additions will not be part of the national regulations for coffeeshops. This means that all the evil measurements from The Hague, including weedpass and distance criteria, can only be implemented on a local level. This means the weedpass and the distance criteria will probably not make it in Amsterdam. These announced measurements, that would lead to a coffeeshop wipe-out in Amsterdam, can only be implemented through local legislation by the City Council. The City Council already spoke out against the weedpass and the distance criteria, like the Mayor, who will be held to execute and maintain the new Tolerance rulebook. This is also included in the Opiumlaw art. 31b.

Especially the long term of the new Tolerance regulations stands out, 4 years going! This is a first, and appears to be a signal that The Hague decided that de introduction of the weedpass and the new distance criteria and everything else Justice Minister Opstelten comes up with is to be decided on by individual City Councils. The City Council has toe execute or deny new measurements. The Mayor has to uphold the rules in the end. This means in Amsterdam there will be no mayor changes.

The 5 plant rule stays intact.

I salute you,

MR. Maurice Veldman, Legal rep. for the BCD and THC.

Translation: Nol van Schaik.


Well thats my opinion.Time to spend time on other matters.

[Uncle Ron]

Well thats my opinion.Time to spend time on other matters.

Shortened for brevity...
I read the links you posted, thank you.
Funny thing is, the main articles are dated June 2011. Much has happened since, click links below...
...like this nugget dated 8 Feb 2012 http://www.weedandhash.com/wietpas-comi ... rdam-2013/
...and this much more recently from Nol, dated 6 Feb 2012... http://www.coffeeshopnieuws.nl/index.ph ... feb-6-2012

...maybe time for some to catch up to the here and now, maybe? Just saying...

Happy trails...

Side note: I was shocked to read in Nol's article that the Roots/Oase will close in May 2012.
No wonder my pass won't be good there anymore.
Nah, I knew with the change in policy on 1 May 2012 that my pass would be invalid.

[joossy]

Funny thing is, the main articles are dated June 2011. Much has happened since,

Except a change in the law which can't happen until 2015 anyway, so no ron much has not happened since.

like this nugget dated 8 Feb 2012

A politician promoting his very own proposed law change i wouldn't exactly call that a nugget.

maybe time for some to catch up to the here and now, maybe? Just saying...

Maybe its time to stick to the facts and law? just saying........

[Uncle Ron]

Who's agreed upon 2015?
I do agree that to pass not only this legislation, but any legislation, takes time. What's your point? Next...
You may be correct in your assertion that the policy doesn't have discriminatory language, this was most likely removed a couple of years ago when they failed to gain the support of the EU. I invite you to read/reread the case that was before the European Court concerning this matter. The EU isn't/hasn't/can't dictate anything, sort of like the UN. Next...
A grand assertion that at any level of the Dutch government they don't care about European Law. Seriously? Next...
You were informed that most Dutch would be pissed, really? I think it's safe to assume that most citizens of any country would be pissed. Next...
Everyone has an opinion, some have a more informed opinion, like Nol for instance. He is in the business, so for anyone to come in and tell him (or anyone in similar position) that they don't know what they are on about, or whatever.... seriously? A grasp maybe, but of what? Next...
As for the rest about right wing this and that, again, seriously?
Be careful of which stoners you throw rocks at, some throw them back. Chill a bit on the use of adjectives, just saying...

A proven method of defeating your enemy is to divide and conquer. Twenty one pages worth...
Next..

Pretty arrogant, dismissive & uneducated post there Ron. The dutch tolerance policy says 2015.

To be fair Nol and bluestar could have been more forthcoming with the full facts/ story rather than just coming on the thread and telling everyone the bits they want us to know.

...and again with the unnecessary and uncalled use of adjectives.
...and throwing Nol and bluestar under the bus? All you (or anyone) had to do was read the article (any article)... wait for it... and related articles/stories. Hmm, I may be on to something there, it's called an educated guess. (meant as extreme sarcasm).

Keep throwing rocks and you might not like what's thrown back. Something to think about...
Happy trails...

[joossy]

...and again with the unnecessary and uncalled use of adjectives.
...and throwing Nol and bluestar under the bus? All you (or anyone) had to do was read the article (any article)... wait for it... and related articles/stories. Hmm, I may be on to something there, it's called an educated guess. (meant as extreme sarcasm).

Keep throwing rocks and you might not like what's thrown back. Something to think about...
Happy trails...

Internet warrior & a cyber bully, fantastic You're wasting your time trying intimidate

[Uncle Ron]

...and again with the unnecessary and uncalled use of adjectives.
...and throwing Nol and bluestar under the bus? All you (or anyone) had to do was read the article (any article)... wait for it... and related articles/stories. Hmm, I may be on to something there, it's called an educated guess. (meant as extreme sarcasm).

Keep throwing rocks and you might not like what's thrown back. Something to think about...
Happy trails...

Internet warrior & a cyber bully, fantastic You're wasting your time trying intimidate

...more unwarranted adjectives..
So then, no retort ref. the bus comment? No surprise...
Whenever you are done throwing insults, you might want to think of an old adage - attract more with honey than vinegar.
In your attempts to prove your point, you isolated yourself when you started throwing insults (my ref. to throwing stones).
Lastly, you know nothing of me, which is obvious given the adjectives you used to describe me. More to think about...
You make this too easy.

[spidergawd]

Shut The Fuck Up !! Please people. The last word is always the hardest one to conceed.

And Slip and Sal, you one trip wonders, you just keep sliding in to stir the pot .

[Uncle Ron]

Shut The Fuck Up !! Please people. The last word is always the hardest one to conceed.

And Slip and Sal, you one trip wonders, you just keep sliding in to stir the pot .

sorry

[joossy]

...more unwarranted adjectives..
So then, no retort ref. the bus comment? No surprise...
Whenever you are done throwing insults, you might want to think of an old adage - attract more with honey than vinegar.
In your attempts to prove your point, you isolated yourself when you started throwing insults (my ref. to throwing stones).
Lastly, you know nothing of me, which is obvious given the adjectives you used to describe me. More to think about...
You make this too easy.



Why would I retort to your trouble making?
You have contributed nothing except snide sarcasm and blind arrogance to this thread, i know that much of you.

[spidergawd]

...more unwarranted adjectives..
So then, no retort ref. the bus comment? No surprise...
Whenever you are done throwing insults, you might want to think of an old adage - attract more with honey than vinegar.
In your attempts to prove your point, you isolated yourself when you started throwing insults (my ref. to throwing stones).
Lastly, you know nothing of me, which is obvious given the adjectives you used to describe me. More to think about...
You make this too easy.



Why would I retort to your trouble making?
You have contributed nothing except snide sarcasm and blind arrogance to this thread, i know that much of you.

Shut The Fuck Up !! Please people. The last word is always the hardest one to conceed.

And Slip and Sal, you one trip wonders, you just keep sliding in to stir the pot .

sorry

Thats all right Ron

[treetop]

In the spirit of moving the discussion along.....

For those of you with more than a passing interest in politics you will remember the problems that the Thatcher government had with councils and poll tax in particular and council spending in general during the late 1980's/early 1990's.

I only bring this up because it is an example perhaps of how far (or how little) locally elected bodies can defy the central government. Of course this example is not a good one because we are dealing with the Netherlands in this case which could have a completely different political system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_o ... government

In order to know whether a local council can defy/dely central government policy in Holland surely you'd just need to ask someone who has at least studied internal Dutch politics at school.
Then we could test Jonesy's contentious assertion that since the measure has to be introduced locally it can be delayed at local level almost indefinitely.

I think there is a flaw in Jonesy's reasoning though because no one has talked about enforcement and who would be in charge of the decision to enforce this policy. Would it be the police? Who would the police be taking orders off in this case? Would it be a new body set up at a central level? Would it be up to the council to enforce?
It may be that the local council are powerless to stop/delay this weedpass. However unless we at least answer the question of whether they CAN do anything we can't really speculate in any kind of worthwhile manner.

[Slip & Sal]

One trip wonders. If I ever get to meet you I'm gunna punch you fair in your mouth, spidergawd. Get fucked.

[DjShaggy]

man you lot need to chill out. so what if they make it illegal it doesnt stop us in out respective homes or when we go else where does it. fuck it lets just see what happens n all join together to fight it rather than fighting each other because NO ONE know whats gonna happen not even the king of the dutch so the lot of ya calm down go skin up go on thats a order.